Two weeks out and no NOR or registration. Anyone know anything?
It may be like last year when they canceled it two weeks early for their lack of interest.
With only fourteen boats doing the Heald there may be even less doing the HYC race. Not really sure what the participation issue is, but I definitely would like to see more.
Now that we all survived (I think) Casey and Corrie's awesome wedding in NOLA, I know we will be there on Tres. It is pretty hard to encourage participation when there is no NOR or any information at all for this regatta...
Does anyone know who the PRO is supposed to be (Liston? you listening?)? I would hate for this event to be skipped for a second consecutive year because of lack of effort. HYC, please let the boats decide for themselves whether or not they want to race, please don't make the decision for us...
Thanks in advance,
1d crew that wants to go have fun offshore
Six of my crew for Heald Bank were from Ft Worth Boat Club and did a great job, they're some good racers at FWBC. They are pumped to do another offshore and are talking it up with their buddies, saying they could bring 20+ crew down for the HYC. So, if any boats are needing crew, we can hook you up.
Looked here
http://houstonyachtclub.com/raceregatta.html (http://houstonyachtclub.com/raceregatta.html)
and here
https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_club_events.php?CLUB_ID=151 (https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_club_events.php?CLUB_ID=151)
You just can't NOR an overnight race in less than two weeks and expect skippers to fill a boat full of crew. On the flip side, skippers need to be courteous enough not to wait until Thursday to sign up for a weekend regatta.
HYC needs to make a much better effort promoting their events to non-members (aka. potential future members!) before cancelling an event due to lack of interest!
Any news on this regatta, please post.
Quote from: ChrisK on April 19, 2011, 10:09:20 AM
I looked here
http://houstonyachtclub.com/raceregatta.html (http://houstonyachtclub.com/raceregatta.html)
and here
https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_club_events.php?CLUB_ID=151 (https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_club_events.php?CLUB_ID=151)
HYC needs to make an effort to promote this thing...
It's on the HYC Calendar at:
http://houstonyachtclub.com/aspWebCalendar_4_5_3/calendar.asp
Who is the fleet captain this year at HYC?
I emailed James Liston and asked him to clarify the situation. I'll call HYC later today and ask them what's up if I don't hear back.
I'd ask you why you're up so late if I weren't up even later. ;D
Later, Kbed.
MaryM is checking in from Perth, chasing kangaroos!
That would explain why she's got the jump on me. (Har-har.)
HYC gave me the email address of their race chair so I've sent off an email to Gordie. I'll pass along whatever I get as soon as I get it.
James Liston has confirmed that the HYC Offshore will be run this year and "It will be shortly up on the website so people can sign up."
Registration now available at:
https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_registration_form.php?regatta_id=4097
NOR available at:
http://www.houstonyachtclub.com/documents/NOR_2011_Offshore_Race.pdf
Let's show interest and not let it cancel again.
Registration due by 2400hrs Sunday April 24
They ought to extend the deadline since they were so late in getting the NOR posted.
So the real question is:
How many boats does it take to have a race?
Maybe in the day this would be phrased:
Suppose they gave a race and nobody showed up.
We could all go to the levy but it would probably be dry.
C'mon folks, time is short!!!
NOTE -
. Registration deadline is Sunday, 24 April. That's this Sunday, as in 3 days from now!!!
. No late registrations will be accepted. Sign up by Sunday or we're SOL.
. 4 Boats to make a fleet. If there aren't 4 boats, there's no fleet. If there's no fleet, there's no race.
. $100 registration. Dig deep for one day of racing. These events are expensive to put on, so pony up!
. Mandatory Competitors Briefing on Friday, 28 Apr. You'll never know the signals, marks or courses unless you're there.
. PHRF GB certs. are mandatiory. Danelaw is now legal:-)
No excuses! This has been on the calendar for months. It's not like you didn't know that the second leg of the Texas Navy Trophy was going to happen next weekend.
Leigh and I already have plans to be out in Kerville driving through the hills well above the posted speed limits with a slew of vintage sports cars so I can't make it otherwise I'd be there to show support.
It kind of makes me sad that the sport of "offshore" racing seems to be really suffering around here lately.
I think it would be very wise and a good gesture on their part if HYC extended the registration beyond Easter Sunday.
Hey Folks....I changed the deadline to Wednesday night.....forgot about the holiday weekend. Hope that helps on the entries..Gordie
Thanks Gordie
Assume the mandatory skipper's meeting is Friday the 29th since Friday the 28th is a conundrum. No, that is someone elses race. Clean up the act. Paraphrasing Bee, "What does it mean if there is a mandatory Skipper's meeting and no one has the time machine to be able to be there on the 28th Friday." Hmmm Gotta get an anonymoujs logon....
j
Hmmm? $100, no competitors, long slog down to Galveston and back, a 70s era triangle course, one day, party week later in different town regatta? Not exactly a compelling affair. Just saying.
Read Cleans latest tirade in Sail Racing Ezine and he pretty much sums up this sorta deal.
Personally I had a blast on the Heald Bank this year and have a number of good memories from past HYC offshores. "70's era triangle courses" are some of the most popular around here including the Bay Cup and GBCA's own Icicle and Rum race series. We've actually had quite a bit of interest in fixed mark courses for some of the major regattas from people who'd like an excuse to sail their boats but don't want to spend all day hoisting and dousing in windward-leewards.
At the USSailing Yacht Club Summit at the beginning of April, there were over 180 Yacht Clubs and sailing organizations represented and more then 300 total attendees. There were many topics presented / discussed on some amazingly open forums - including race management, membership, participation, handicap and one-design racing, and many more.
There was an overwhelming majority of folks who agreed that, in our current environment, the single best change to racing formats that have been made to increase participation was to re-introduce fixed mark races and move away from what are now termed "boring windward / leeward courses" (their terminology, not mine). Across the country, clubs are increasing their participation by moving toward distance (and short) fixed mark courses that challenge the sailors to actually trim their sails to something other a beat and a run. More non-spin boats are participating. More handicap boats are participating. More cruising boats are participating. And guess what - one-design participation has increased also! Windward / Leeward courses definitely have their place for many one-design fleets and shouldn't be discounted, but all change isn't necessarily bad.
There was another positive item that came up at the Yacht Club Summit that a number of clubs have used to get more sailors and boats on the course - CLUB HANDICAP racing!!! There were 30+ clubs that use some type of club handicaping as a tool to attract cruisers or non-racers to come out and play. I don't think anyone at GBCA would be a bit surprised at how excited many clubs were to hear the details of how GBCA has implemented their Club Handicap system. I had about 15 minutes of briefing time (allocated 5 minutes) and the interest / questions had to be continued after the session.
Take a look in Galveston Bay at the organizations that have increased or decreased participation over the past few years. Those that have increased race participation have listened to the racers and adapted their formats, races, and schedules to provide a product that satisfy the largest majority. Informal races (Rum and Icicle races), one day events, fixed mark races, distance races are all now proving themselves as the product that the sailors prefer.
There were a lot of take-aways from the Yacht Club Summit. Many of them confirmed that some of the things we're seeing on Galveston Bay are what are successful in other places too.
Maybe those folks back in the 70's knew something.
All Yacht Clubs in Area F (Brownsville to Jackson Hole) have been given two mandates for 2011 (as determined at the Area F meeting earlier this year) - 1) get more children sailing, and 2) get more sailors drinking beer after racing. The first is self explanatory. The second is a mandate to get more sailors and boats out on the course and racing and then to show up afterward to socialize. Devising alternatives to two-day windward / leeward events seem to be doing just that across the country in Area F, in Texas, and in Galvestion Bay. Kudos to those GB clubs that are thinking outside the box and/or paying attentiion to those things that get more sailors drinking beer after racing!
Many of us have very fond memories of the fun and challenges of the overnight offshore races we've had over the years. Most of those memories are about the journey and not the desitnation. I hope this event isn't cancelled again this year.
Well said, Brian. You forgot to give kudos to Kevin Box for taking the initiative for the GBCA Club Handicap class and the organization for including them in regattas whenever possible.
Although I neglected to mention Kevin in my previous post (apologies...), he certainly got plenty of mentions in my briefings and discussions in Chicago as the Wizzard behind these initiatives. The credit here as well as Nationally goes to Kevin:-)
And, compared to Clean, Kevin Box is a Saint.
All Clean and the Anarchy crowd does is scream and holler to make sure SA gets more hits and Tempesta gets more $$$.
I guess its OK to sail to Cabo, but not OK to round some marks off Galveston.
Really not the race format that seems difficult to comprehend; it's the skipper's meeting and party. Think about it, for a single day of racing in our Gulf, as pleasure itself, how many more days are involved? The skipper's meeting, and then, a week later, the party. How many racers (skippers and crew) will show up a week after the event is over to celebrate? Compare to, say CRW, where you show up Thursday afternoon, rig, sail Friday-Sunday, party every night and then awards early Sunday and back home. In 72 hours, you get 10-20 races and 3 parties. See the problem? Just saying.
Actually, I don't see the problem. But then, I'm pretty sure most of us who do the offshore triangles aren't in it for the parties or even the trophies. You should check out Texas Race Week on Galveston. GBCA always puts on some great races, parties and trophies for that one.
After one of the all night Heald or Freeport Triangles (HYC Offshore) all I want to do is sleep. I can't even drive home without at least a couple hour nap. I would never attend the party.
Trophies? All we need is for someone to keep records that can be viewed on a smart phone. Maybe we should award pictures of trophies. Easier to store, easier to recall, and much cheaper to acquire. Just think of the great slide show at the party --- oh wait, I won't be there.
Heald and the the HYC offshore races are exactly that, offshore races. They are not a race to a huge party (Harvest Moon) or a race week, like Texas Race Week or Charleston so the comparison is apples to oranges.
I don't know how else you would do an offshore event like this in one day, given that the majority of the large boats capable of doing this race call Seabrook/Kemah/HYC home....
The Heald, HYC events are alot of fun. It's a great place to cut your teeth and get some offshore racing experience under your belt.
They are challenging races (try shooting the jetties after a long night), certainly long enough to test your endurance and your boat preparation. It's ideal if your crew aboard who may not be able to handle the motion of the ocean or have the proper gear...
In other words, the two races are not the distance of Harvest Moon, Race to the Border or Veracruz so they are a nice shakedown if you plan to do longer distance regattas or gain a little blue water experience when it comes time to deliver a boat to a far away land.
One of the biggest perks of all is you still have Sunday to recover and take the kids to T-ball practice...(with enough caffeine). In that respect, I actually think the format of the two offshore regattas are ahead of their time.
Finally, the Heald and HYC event put you in the running for the Texas Navy Cup...
Quote from: Bee on April 24, 2011, 08:03:12 AM
After one of the all night Heald or Freeport Triangles (HYC Offshore) all I want to do is sleep.
I heard that!!!
Let's look at possible improvements for a minute...
For a 90nm overnight offshore race that starts and finishes at Galveston #11:
When would be the best time to have the Competitors Briefing?
What should the start time be (remember, one objective here is an overnight race)?
When would be the best time for the awards / party?
What can be done to increase interest? What can be done to get more sailors / boats to participate?
Quote from: BJSailor on April 24, 2011, 09:06:48 AM
Let's look at possible improvements for a minute...
For a 90nm overnight offshore race that starts and finishes at Galveston #11:
When would be the best time to have the Competitors Briefing?
What should the start time be (remember, one objective here is an overnight race)?
When would be the best time for the awards / party?
What can be done to increase interest? What can be done to get more sailors / boats to participate?
For me:
Best time to have the competitors briefing is the night before.
I prefer sailing as much as possible in daylight so starting as early as possible would be my preference. Unfortunately, this would mean taking the boat to Galveston the day before and require playing musical cars before the race and after the finish. It would make a mess of the entire experience.
I do not know how to increase interest. Regardless of what kind of boat we are on, this is a slow process. On Stinger its also a wet one and depending on the wind can be a bit of an endurance affair. Even at 10 knots average it takes 9 hours to finish. The best we have ever done is something on the order of 13-14 hours.
I suppose that for some the party is a big deal. If one could start at say 18:00 on Friday, dock in Galveston on Saturday, sleep all day, and then party all night on the island one might arouse more interest, but this requires taking off on Friday for some. It also makes for a lot more work and expense for the organizers. As I said earlier, I'm not all that interested in the party so my comments are probably a bit jaded.
BJ, thanks for asking! Shows a deep concern for the consumer. Don't matter to me. My boats a meter too short anywho.
Doesn't matter to you??? C'mon, it seemed to matter to you a great deal last evening! Don't whimp out on us now that we're looking for solutions and improvements!!!
Seriously, what would you do differently for this event? A 90nm overnight offshore race beginning near the Galveston Jetties.
Competitors Briefing? NOR? Entry? Start times? Courses? Fleets / Handicaping? Finishing? Awards / Party?
It's not exactly a piece of cake to organize and run even a small event like this. It takes a lot of people who have to give up their weekends so the can NOT sail, but are running the event. And I'll guarantee you that every single one of those folks who put un events like this at all the clubs in the area would love nothing more than to do their volunteer job better and to present an event for the sailors that everyone is happy with.
I ask in all seriousness here, not trying to troll for a reaction. What would you like to see different in an event like this that would make it better for you? This goes for everyone, not just SFLS.
Quote from: sailfastliveslow on April 24, 2011, 02:50:10 PM
BJ, thanks for asking! Shows a deep concern for the consumer. Don't matter to me. My boats a meter too short anywho.
I think one of the big issues with the overnights is a lack of marketing. I would love to see the three yacht clubs get together and really push the Texas navy trophy and promote the overnights more to get more participation.
Not sure if it's possible but what about finishing the race in the bay ??? I know for me the thought of 4 hrs of motoring each way is a big negative on doing the race. We used to race down the ship channel in the Rebel Cup where we sailed to Galveston twice in the 90 mile bay race. I know post 9/11 things are tougher with shipping traffic but just a thought!!!
Why do we need a skippers meeting??? How about a virtual skippers metting with si's posted a week before the event. Questions can be asked and posted on the web site and the rc can respond to each question by the start.
I can resemble that remark. Great points.
Returning from the Heald we hit 12.4 knots coming UP the HSC. I hadn't had but 1 beer during the entire race but manage quite a few on the run back up. With So winds this was really a hoot. We were outrunning barge and big boat traffic with no problems at all. After no winds and basically extremely close reaching the run up the channel was delightful. We finished the Heald around 9:30 and managed to get back to the slip by noon.
On the other hand we have been in situations where we were averaging 1 knot up the channel under motor. Banging into high North winds is not pleasant, not pleasant at all. One has to put up with the good and the bad.
Oops, I forgot. Virtual trophies. That I like.
Kevin makes a few very good points.
As long as we are throwing out constructive ideas, let's talk about Texas race week. Of all the events I do around the country that has the potential to be in the top, for a few reasons.
Great race format, nice mix of offshore stuff and some around the buoys work on Saturday. The usual mind-erasing gbca party... Great venue with the island attractions for family and party venue at the yacht club.
How about some marketing for that event this year! There should be a few hundred boats at that event. Trailerable yachts like h33s, ft10 etc. Certainly we can figure out where to stuff all the boats.
Trw is the best kept secret in Texas.
Quote from: hayesrigging on April 24, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
I think one of the big issues with the overnights is a lack of marketing. I would love to see the three yacht clubs get together and really push the Texas navy trophy and promote the overnights more to get more participation.
Not sure if it's possible but what about finishing the race in the bay ??? I know for me the thought of 4 hrs of motoring each way is a big negative on doing the race. We used to race down the ship channel in the Rebel Cup where we sailed to Galveston twice in the 90 mile bay race. I know post 9/11 things are tougher with shipping traffic but just a thought!!!
Why do we need a skippers meeting??? How about a virtual skippers metting with si's posted a week before the event. Questions can be asked and posted on the web site and the rc can respond to each question by the start.
Oh... And cost
Quote from: Jonsey on April 24, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
Kevin makes a few very good points.
As long as we are throwing out constructive ideas, let's talk about Texas race week. Of all the events I do around the country that has the potential to be in the top, for a few reasons.
Great race format, nice mix of offshore stuff and some around the buoys work on Saturday. The usual mind-erasing gbca party... Great venue with the island attractions for family and party venue at the yacht club.
How about some marketing for that event this year! There should be a few hundred boats at that event. Trailerable yachts like h33s, ft10 etc. Certainly we can figure out where to stuff all the boats.
Trw is the best kept secret in Texas.
Quote from: hayesrigging on April 24, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
I think one of the big issues with the overnights is a lack of marketing. I would love to see the three yacht clubs get together and really push the Texas navy trophy and promote the overnights more to get more participation.
Not sure if it's possible but what about finishing the race in the bay ??? I know for me the thought of 4 hrs of motoring each way is a big negative on doing the race. We used to race down the ship channel in the Rebel Cup where we sailed to Galveston twice in the 90 mile bay race. I know post 9/11 things are tougher with shipping traffic but just a thought!!!
Why do we need a skippers meeting??? How about a virtual skippers metting with si's posted a week before the event. Questions can be asked and posted on the web site and the rc can respond to each question by the start.
That's what I'm talkin' about!!!
Great ideas and comments so far. I'll summarize later this evening.
Jonsey, what's your point about cost? You think fees are too high?
Not trying to be argumentative, but take 7% off the top that goes to Regatta Network. Have you priced fuel lately? Meals/food for parties has not gone down in price. Nor has rum or beer. Awards / trophies? Priced those lately? My point is that costs have gone up significantly to put these events on. Of all people, I sympathize with cheap sailors and their abhorance to spend money if it doesn't make the boat go fast.
If costs are higher than you want to pay, where can organizers cut costs that wouldn't drive you away? Again, serious question... Where do the sailors think that RCs can reduce the costs of an event that you might find satisfactory?
I think jeff agrees cost is a positive when you look at Galveston bay regattas. I would vote
To get rid of regatta network!!! 7% to process entries is alot of money that gbca is missing out on!!! And yes I have run many regattas and had to do the paperwork myself. It is a hassle but no that overbearing.
I love Texas race week and agree it could be a premier regatta. I'm going to miss it this year we will be in Newport with the Melges but I hope it is a big success.
I'm going to toss out one of the things that bugs me.
With the standardization of technology from cell phones to 4G interweb connectivity, there is no reason that results can't be posted near real-time. Mark them as provisional, but post results before the sailors are back at the dock (or at least before they get to the party). This goes for daily results as well as final day results.
Many RCs are on nice boats - nice enough to support the use of a cell phone to take a pic of the handwritten results and e-mail them ashore or to call the results ashore for scoring (on a nice day you can do this from an 18' Whaler). Many RCs have boats nice enough to support a laptop (or iPad) and 3G aircard to get on to Regatta Network and score truly real-time.
So, here?s a summary of the comments so far, in no particular order of importance:
- Competitors Briefing the night before
- More of the race during daylight
- More marketing and publicity to get the word out and participation up
- Increase the importance of the individual offshore events as part of the larger series (Texas Navy Trophy)
- Finish the race in the Bay
- Optional Competitors Briefing with official documentation posted online
- Cost (both positive and negative aspects)
- Timely results
Keep the suggestions coming!!! This is an opportunity to identify improvement.
I think marker 11 is a perfect start/stop for offshore races. I'm not giving 15 minutes to some C.N.G. barge in the I.C.W. just to finish up by Redfish. The party IS the trip back up from 11 to the slip, if you know what I mean.
One other thing Brian:
iPhones keep track of your GPS position. What this means is that an iPHone could be used to play back the race/regatta on a big screen at the club house both during and after the race.
The J105 National Class is developing an app for Androids, iPhones, and iPads that together with a small rail mountable box could be used in conjunction with Kattack to play stuff back in more or less real time. The box can be attached to 12 volt power to keep the phone charged. I used this along with a Spot2 on the Heald so we could watch ourselves drift backwards.
Discussions are under way to do this for J-Fest this year as well.
MIght be interesting to see if we could figure out how to do this across the board here. Using Kattack would require paying for a license ($1,000) but that could be shared across the Clubs. Could we or someone write a Kattack version for us?
Sorry BJ - meant that the cost to do TRW is another positive. Charleston Race Week entry fee was over 300 bucks, plus $ 50.00 wrist bands. MRW was over 400 but you got a little free rum.
All of these GBCA events are a nice value - i assume that's because of all the time and effort the organizers put in.
This year for TRW let's consider putting together a marketing committee.. divide and conquer. I'll volunteer to be a part of that.
Quote from: BJSailor on April 24, 2011, 07:21:06 PM
That's what I'm talkin' about!!!
Great ideas and comments so far. I'll summarize later this evening.
Jonsey, what's your point about cost? You think fees are too high?
Not trying to be argumentative, but take 7% off the top that goes to Regatta Network. Have you priced fuel lately? Meals/food for parties has not gone down in price. Nor has rum or beer. Awards / trophies? Priced those lately? My point is that costs have gone up significantly to put these events on. Of all people, I sympathize with cheap sailors and their abhorance to spend money if it doesn't make the boat go fast.
If costs are higher than you want to pay, where can organizers cut costs that wouldn't drive you away? Again, serious question... Where do the sailors think that RCs can reduce the costs of an event that you might find satisfactory?
Jeff, I like the idea of trailerable boats - we can definitely find a place to put them (launching is another issue)... But for larger boats, there just isn't any room to put anyone. We're limited by dock/ slip space. They are building a new phat marina at Tiki Island (from what I hear) but this is a bit of a sail to get to the race course in the morning.....
That aside, I'll tell Kathy you're on the marketing committee.
It doesn't sound like you can handle me Jody. My marketing that is.
5 boats now signed up for HYC Offshore!? Doesn't look promising.
The Texas Navy Trophy should be scored differently. As it stands now you can win the trophy without doing the two offshore triangles. If TRW is scored as one event in a series and the two triangles scored as separate events with no throw-outs there is incentive to do all three events.
And I don't think 20 mile daytime races should count equally to 100+ mile overnights.
Participation in the offshore triangles dropped dramatically after the scoring of the Texas Navy Trophy was changed around 8 years ago. I think that the prestige of the trophy also subsided when that happened. It's probably beyond reviving now, but I applaud any efforts in that direction.
Now that the Freeport Municipal Marina is open, maybe someone should look into next year scheduling the HYC & LYC Spring offshores into a distance race to Freeport one weekend, leave the boats at the marina for a week and then do a return distance race the following week.
Something has to be done differently. The present situation is depressing to watch.
Indeed Marc, very depressing, which is why I agitated things abit. It's not just GBCA or Galveston, it's statewide. As much as I detest Clean and his tactics, his latest article (tirade?) is well worth a read in Sail Racing ezine. Essentially repeats that saying "Do the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity".
The suggestion of looking into an overnighter to Freeport is a GREAT idea. Now my little 8m boat can do that. How about an offshore race week, with stops in
Freeport-->Palacios-->Port Aransas, with big parties at each? Moving caravan, making each marina responsible for putting on a party in exchange for all the biz that would come their way?
Think about something different, new, inclusive, simpler, cheaper, funner.
IMHO
Bad Attitude
I no nussing about the new Freeport Municipal Marina. Can you explain? How much draft can they accommodate?
Al, here are a couple of links to it:
www.freeport.tx.us/default.aspx?name=municipal_marina
www.freeport.tx.us/docs/1-Marina_Brochure.pdf
Texas Race Week used to be from Galveston to Freeport and then sailed out of Freeport from there. Bridge Harbor Marina in Freeport had a great Pool/Bar that made from some great times. I still think this was more fun then running out of Galveston. At least the Bridge Harbor folk were friendly.
The problem was that there was limited living accommodations (i.e. motels) and restaurants and playing musical cars was another issue.
Nevertheless it would be interesting to investigate the new marina.
Let's do it.
Quote from: BJSailor on April 24, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
So, here?s a summary of the comments so far, in no particular order of importance:
- Competitors Briefing the night before
- More of the race during daylight
- More marketing and publicity to get the word out and participation up
- Increase the importance of the individual offshore events as part of the larger series (Texas Navy Trophy)
- Finish the race in the Bay
- Optional Competitors Briefing with official documentation posted online
- Cost (both positive and negative aspects)
- Timely results
Keep the suggestions coming!!! This is an opportunity to identify improvement.
Adding more suggestions for improvements:
- GPS race tracking on individual boats
- Keep fees at a price point that is considered reasonable to the customers (sailors)
- Marketing (repeat, I know...)
- Include and acommodate trailerable boats
- Resurect the format and scoring of the past incarnation of the Texas Navy Trophy
- Roundtrip stopover event(s) in Freeport (down one week, back the next - offshore distance races)
- Run Texas Race Week out of Freeport
Keep the suggestions for improvement coming!
Before things dry up, I'd like to float another topic in this discussion - fleets / classes...
It's great when there is a 30 boat event. But, is it competitive and fun when those boats are broken up into 8 different fleets? Do the sailors actully enjoy a 3 boat class or would you prefer larger classes and more boats on the start line? How about increasing the minimum class size to at least 5 boats?
Wouldn't like increasing the class size, but why not start everyone at once? Something like a 30 boat start might be extremely interesting and dangerous (exciting).
Quote from: BJSailor on April 25, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: BJSailor on April 24, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
So, here?s a summary of the comments so far, in no particular order of importance:
- Competitors Briefing the night before
- More of the race during daylight
- More marketing and publicity to get the word out and participation up
- Increase the importance of the individual offshore events as part of the larger series (Texas Navy Trophy)
- Finish the race in the Bay
- Optional Competitors Briefing with official documentation posted online
- Cost (both positive and negative aspects)
- Timely results
Just a thought, but what about a Friday night start? I have seen it done elsewhere, and you finish in daylight, non-sailing folks are happy to meet you at the party, (which now fits), and parties are more fun when you are a sleep-deprived zombie. Delivery can happen Thurs PM, or Friday day, depending on crew's work schedules.
Keep the suggestions coming!!! This is an opportunity to identify improvement.
Adding more suggestions for improvements:
- GPS race tracking on individual boats
- Keep fees at a price point that is considered reasonable to the customers (sailors)
- Marketing (repeat, I know...)
- Include and acommodate trailerable boats
- Resurect the format and scoring of the past incarnation of the Texas Navy Trophy
- Roundtrip stopover event(s) in Freeport (down one week, back the next - offshore distance races)
- Run Texas Race Week out of Freeport
Keep the suggestions for improvement coming!
Before things dry up, I'd like to float another topic in this discussion - fleets / classes...
It's great when there is a 30 boat event. But, is it competitive and fun when those boats are broken up into 8 different fleets? Do the sailors actully enjoy a 3 boat class or would you prefer larger classes and more boats on the start line? How about increasing the minimum class size to at least 5 boats?
The problem with a Friday night start is that you can't get down the ship channel if you're at work. How many locals could find a crew that could take Friday off?
Quote from: Kevin Bednar on April 25, 2011, 10:58:58 PM
The problem with a Friday night start is that you can't get down the ship channel if you're at work. How many locals could find a crew that could take Friday off?
Not easy for the boats or crew coming in from out of town, unless the event is specifically deemed a three day event.
Ok, I promise to give my iPhone back to Apple and buy and Android. The apple idiots will not let us put our app out because it doesn't appear to have the right number of potential subscribers.
To do what I suggested we will have to buy Kattack trackers.
Stupid Jobs. How in the hell can they control what I want to run on a phone I own?
Ok HYC peeps, could you give us any insight about your intentions of running this race with the current entries?
It would be great for us and our crews weekend planning.
What are you guys thinking?
Thanks for any thoughts that you could let slip out... ;D
One can only assume that classes were not made, according to the NOR, and as such no race. One can only assume that. What's the official story?
If the wind forecast holds I'd almost rather they did cancel.
I'm with you there, Kevin.
And so is the Old Man
There are 6 spin boats registered. Yes, I know they are a mix of asym and sym but we race against each other all the time so there is really no reason to not combine these two due to the lack of boats to make separate classes. In every other offshore race (Heald, TRW, HMR, RTTB, RDA) these two classes are run together as a spin fleet so not going because there is not a defined class per NOR is a little ridiculous in my opinion.
Personally, I just want to go race. I do not care if we race against sym, asym, a -100 rater, or a 200 rater, I just want to go out. The weather is damn near perfect right now and offshore sailing (at least to me) sounds very appealing right now.
To you guys complaining about the weather...its supposed to blow 18-22 knts on friday and saturday. Please explain to me why you complained about a drifter two weeks ago in the Heald and now there is a forecast for strong breeze offshore and now it is too windy and you want the race cancelled??? C'mon guys, this is just dumb. Offshore racing is supposed to be challenging. It is about boat preparation, long term strategy, endurance, safety, and sailing smart.
Hopefully I will see everyone out on friday. If not, I will be just another 25 year old who is rapidly losing faith in the future of this sport.
Evan
Amen Brother Evan!
Quote from: Evan on April 28, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
There are 6 spin boats registered. Yes, I know they are a mix of asym and sym but we race against each other all the time so there is really no reason to not combine these two due to the lack of boats to make separate classes. In every other offshore race (Heald, TRW, HMR, RTTB, RDA) these two classes are run together as a spin fleet so not going because there is not a defined class per NOR is a little ridiculous in my opinion.
Personally, I just want to go race. I do not care if we race against sym, asym, a -100 rater, or a 200 rater, I just want to go out. The weather is damn near perfect right now and offshore sailing (at least to me) sounds very appealing right now.
To you guys complaining about the weather...its supposed to blow 18-22 knts on friday and saturday. Please explain to me why you complained about a drifter two weeks ago in the Heald and now there is a forecast for strong breeze offshore and now it is too windy and you want the race cancelled??? C'mon guys, this is just dumb. Offshore racing is supposed to be challenging. It is about boat preparation, long term strategy, endurance, safety, and sailing smart.
Hopefully I will see everyone out on friday. If not, I will be just another 25 year old who is rapidly losing faith in the future of this sport.
Evan
+1
Yeah! What he said.
Quote from: Evan on April 28, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
There are 6 spin boats registered. Yes, I know they are a mix of asym and sym but we race against each other all the time so there is really no reason to not combine these two due to the lack of boats to make separate classes. In every other offshore race (Heald, TRW, HMR, RTTB, RDA) these two classes are run together as a spin fleet so not going because there is not a defined class per NOR is a little ridiculous in my opinion.
Personally, I just want to go race. I do not care if we race against sym, asym, a -100 rater, or a 200 rater, I just want to go out. The weather is damn near perfect right now and offshore sailing (at least to me) sounds very appealing right now.
To you guys complaining about the weather...its supposed to blow 18-22 knts on friday and saturday. Please explain to me why you complained about a drifter two weeks ago in the Heald and now there is a forecast for strong breeze offshore and now it is too windy and you want the race cancelled??? C'mon guys, this is just dumb. Offshore racing is supposed to be challenging. It is about boat preparation, long term strategy, endurance, safety, and sailing smart.
Hopefully I will see everyone out on friday. If not, I will be just another 25 year old who is rapidly losing faith in the future of this sport.
Evan
Well, Sailflow has been a little low in it's wind estimates lately but they're currently calling for 27 knots on the nose at the South Jetty Saturday at 1pm. Let's hope that doesn't turn out to be 32+ on the nose to the first mark.
Ooops, I was misreading it. That's at 1am not 1pm. Sailflow is only calling for 22 at 1pm. That's much better.
Does someone know anybody at HYC to call and get a definate Yes or No?
I believe Gordie is in charge. I do not have any contact info for him though...
I would be absolutely stunned if HYC canceled. I can see them combining Asym and Sym into one class and letting the 2 non-spins have their own reaching legs.
Assume we are a go and forget about it.
As I posted in the other thread Gordie says:
"I?m ready to go with it as long as everyone else is. Weather looks a little strong!....regards, Gordie"
Very happy to give advice on driving in over 35 knots. Wait... On the other hand, perhaps I'm not a good example.
Ok bee, time to put your big boy pants on and go play.
Heard a strange rumor about lost rigs, keels, and other such stuff. One guy even said this was the most expensive trophy he ever won and his costs were far less then the competition. There was some Austin character that did some pretty strange things. Or so I heard.
OK guys, six pages of pre-race chat and this morning there is nothing?? I would assume most of you are in the channel by now. Any info?
Stinger finished around 3:20 this morning. Very wet and rough race. Mal de Mar played a role in the festivites too! Still a good race. Thanks to HYC race committee.
Spin:
I 'm going to guess:
Tres Hombres
Hot Ticket
Stinger (3:19:28)
Ride up the HSC was a blast. 20-24 knots on the tail something like a 2 knot
current. Doing 8-9 knots under main alone
Millie
Surprise (if she finished)
Island Time withdrew Friday
Non Spin
There is no doubt that Figaro finished 1st in non-spin. Blame int on Buffet had transmission problems.
I agree with Charles. Very wet and rough race. HYC did a great job.
Except for adding new meaning to my understanding of the dry heaves everything went pretty smooth. Crew work was awesome. Dousing that 110 sm mt in 23 knots was an absolutely work of art. Only damage was a tear of the lower jib batton pocket.
Several mistakes made by yours truly that slowed us done a lot. One should not hoist a 155 in 24 knots of breeze even on a reach with 90 degree TWA. There was no fun reverse sailing this time. From Buc to Freeport we saw several 13-14 knots SOG, with lots of 11 and 12's.
Figaro is proud to finish first (in a class of one).
Our roller furling line broke and we sailed most of the course with a 130 jib and single reef in the main.
With gusts to 30 knots (at least high 20's) and rolling sees we decided to change headsails, which was interesting but cost us 20 to 30 minutes.
We didn't do double digits like Stinger but an occasional 9 knot run with fluorescent wake was still pretty nice.
Thanks to Gordie and the HYC race committee.
GW
I salute you RED BARON. Vicki and I spent Sat. and Sun. at the pool at Portofino holding on to the pool furniture.
Yeah, we saw at least one gust of 31. We also did two head sail changes. One with the chute up was easy, the other on a broad reach was not. With the furler and only one halyard in place we do not have the luxury of hoisting two sails simultaneously. To do that we would have to ditch the furler and add another halyard. Not likely. Took us quite a while. Was really stupid on my part.
When we passed you going up the channel Figaro had to be going pretty fast. That current was delightful.
BTW, I noticed that you had a green starboard light but did not see a red port light.
Great race!
We saw Surprise break something on the main (outhaul?) and retire about an hour into the race. We also saw 30knt breeze, mostly 20's, some lows of 17knts; and some huge waves - wishing I had brought out the surf board! The run up the beach this morning was exciting watching the lights of the city dissappear and reappear as we ran through the canyons and over the mountains.
Some great speeds of 10+knts on the second spin run leg. Nothing broken until after the race, but a little mal-de-mere.
Millie finished 04:06:14
Half the crew is from Ft Worth Boat Club and had a great time - first offshore for a couple of them. They're excited about the conditions and dolphin sightings. They are ready to come back again for TRW and say they can bring a bunch of friends.
fb quote from one our FW crew:
"102 miles of killer OFFSHORE sailing! 10-12 foot swells of Bone Chilling waves crashing over your head and getting covered up in glowing neon green plankton... thats one way to spend 6 hours in the pitch black of the Gulf of Mexico! ...Loved it."
The squeals of glee were just priceless - "Look!! Glow in the dark boat!!" :o
Me thinks Stinger won. We lost our big lead when we had our mainsail laying on our deck for around an hour. I don't remember any cries of joy on our boat when the waves were crashing over...
Wow. Great stories. Sounds like a wild ride. It sounds like everyone had their challenges.
Love to get an article for the next edition of the Cannon, and maybe a pic or two to share the adventure
Quote from: Jeff K on May 02, 2011, 06:42:57 AM
Me thinks Stinger won. We lost our big lead when we had our mainsail laying on our deck for around an hour. I don't remember any cries of joy on our boat when the waves were crashing over...
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Non on my part either, Jeff!
Us Stinker guys were wondering just how wet you guys on Tres were. We certainly were wet on Stinger. My supposed foulies were soaked through and through. Will have to find something better for the next go round.
Quote from: Bee on April 28, 2011, 08:05:42 PM
Heard a strange rumor about lost rigs, keels, and other such stuff. One guy even said this was the most expensive trophy he ever won and his costs were far less then the competition. There was some Austin character that did some pretty strange things. Or so I heard.
I think Jeff just needs "training wheels" like I do...
Hmmm.
How do you lose a keel bulb? Oh, nah, that didn't happen did it?
Results are available:
http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_regatta_results.php?regatta_id=4097
Well done Stinger!!
Thanks Chris.
We all agreed it was due to great crew work and the fact that I managed to reduce the weight of the boat by leaving a few pounds overboard.
Same way you make a J80 keel fall off - sand through too much of the structure when you are doing a keel job - or in this case, when you are trying to fit the bulb retro-fit. Could have been compounded by hitting an object - large chunk taken out of the keel just about where the grp structure and lead shoe attach.
At about 24 knot's of boat-speed there's a lot of stuff going on down there around your ballast.
Quote from: Bee on May 02, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
Hmmm.
How do you lose a keel bulb? Oh, nah, that didn't happen did it?
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