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I own, race, and sail the J105 Stinger.  I can be emailed at bee at panoramatech dot com or via cell at 713.562.3218.

I would like to put you on my crew list.  if you don't mind,  please send me an email with your contact information.

Thanks

Bee Bednar (Male)

TRW was one of the best events ever.  When it was at the Galveston Yacht Club GBCA had its own bar and bartender.  If you got hot you could just jump in the pool cool off and hit the bar one more time.  I hope I can make it.

The only examples I have of TRW is from 2006. 

The first photo below is of how a W/L might be set up.

G11->5A->Buoy at Pleasure Pier (Flagship) -> W mark > Buoy -> W -> 5A -> Finish at G11

Second photo is of one of several possible "offshore" courses.  These are around platforms.
Don't take the platforms in this graphic seriously.  Some are no longer there, but GBCA
will provide coordinates.

Hope this helps.

Damn Jim.  That's terrible, but I know exactly what you mean.  On May 19th a Neurosurgeon is scheduled to ream out my spine with his $70,000 dremel tool. This on top of partial knee replacement.  Looks like I will be off the water for a long time. I hate it when that happens.

Take care.

Quote from: jmiller59 on May 07, 2017, 05:13:01 PM
Did anybody make it out Wednesday?  My doc says I am still grounded from my bad back, so didnt even try to go out. Weather didnt seem too bad after all - at least while sitting n the couch looking out the window.

I am envious.  Have a great time guys.

I just want to sail.  Yeah I am a cry baby.

Compared to what some of my friends are going through I am having a great time.

You don't need no stinkin bottom paint.  Actually the colors are nice.

Quote from: ShakenNotStirred on April 29, 2017, 01:05:57 PM
A few photos from the committee boat: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150026314@N07/albums/72157683204102845

(Kevin H - included are some of Psyched's bottom paint condition as requested  .)

I agree with Gerhard.

Why?

Quote from: Greg A Casamayor on April 28, 2017, 01:28:24 PM
I for one, will never race under ORC again, but I'm glad most seem to like it.  If I get a J133 I may change my mind.

My comments here have nothing to do with practically, but as a mathematician I like the ORC idea.  As computers get larger and
faster this approach to handicapping should become more and more accurate.  I like racing under it but there will always
be aspects of a boat that it just cannot predict. Everyone should also remember that ORC gives a lot of latitude to the RC so one
may not be able to figure out how one placed at the end of any given race. I am surprised and pleased that it was well
accepted in the last HMR.  I would like to see us do more ORC races.   

BTW J D, I am still glowing about how good you guys were in your last racing endeavors.  Keep it up.  Maybe I should get
one of those 122s?  Nah, but a 120 may be in my future. Getting to old to be of much use so something closer to a cruiser
might be a good choice.

Quote from: USA74 on April 25, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
FWIW:

I just chatted with Robin Team, whose J/122 TEAMWORK is a rather well known handicap racer being a multiple winner at both Charleston and Key West. Basically I wanted to know what the heck they thought they were doing racing a TP52 at Charleston...

He said the racing under ORC was good and provided close results even with boats as disparate as a J/122 and a TP52. Team said they missed correcting over the 52 by seconds in a couple of races, and that was the difference between 1st and 2nd in the regatta. As the slowest boat in their division, they got tacked on a bunch, which raises the issue that it's still important to band similarly rated boats together.

I missed two boats: tomahawk -- Nat Kimberly, and hull #396 -- Alberic Avisse.

Also OJ's boat is hull #3 previously owned by Dennis Conner.

Final overall standings:

OJ, Infinity, Tomakawk, Vici, 396, Radiance, Kinderspel2.

Wish I could have participated -- would have been 8 boats. Apparently wind was very shifty.

Yes the Invitational was run. Boats included were infinity, Vici, Kinderspel2, Radiance, and OJ's boat (nene?). All I know is that OJ/Rhyne ran away with it.

Oh, I know how to grab it, just used to the way the Lacy's did it.  Not a problem,
not a gripe.  Mostly just curious.

Quote from: gwittich on February 02, 2017, 01:18:52 AM
Bee, I think its called "frame grab" that does the job.

At my decrepit old age I have never race a real triangle.  Lets do one.

Quote from: hayesrigging on January 29, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
If you have a 80-120 degree wind shift the race should be abandoned by the RC.  Granted rum races are a different story but I don't recall that big of a shift on a rum race in a long time.  Rum races aren't "true" triangles that you would have if set by a RC.  The two reaching legs would be 135 degree tight spin reaches.  This typically leads to follow the leader on boats of the same speed, no tactical manuevers, its straight line speed.

Great photos.  To bad is not possible to download one.

Things I worry about.  Probably wrong but I still worry.

Getting an ORC certificate is quite easy if you own and race an OD boat.  Its not clear to me, since I have never had to do it, that its that easy when measurement or even weighing is required.  Most J105 have weight certificates that specify a minimum weight.  ORC agreed to use that in the HMR so that was not an issue, but I would worry that the cost of the measurement/weighing and the certificate itself might reduce the number of boats out for the current pursuit races. I am sure we can all afford the cost, but some may choose not to.

Its not clear to me that triangles or pursuit distances are any fairer then W/L.  There are boats that reach like gangbusters but don't go to weather well. Until we learned how to dive deep the downwind J105 angles were much higher then virtually any well sailed symmetric.  Hot angles were definitely a J105/J109 advantage.

In theory, running the Icicles or Rum Races under ORC should not be any different then running under PHRF.  Single ORC numbers for TOD and TOT are available.  My fear (worry) is that when a different wind condition based number is used for each race people will become disenchanted and stop racing.  I agree that it seems complicated to change the number at the beginning of the race but I guess that could be posted on gbca.org for all to see.  However, Icicle 3 saw winds change from 10-12 to 8-9 to 16+.  Not sure how to come up with an average for that before the race.

Except for the fact that I drink to much, I love the Icicle and Rum races.  I also like that fact that we have a club handicap system that results in a very large (by my standards) number of boats on the course.

See you all on Saturday. At least I hope I see you all on Saturday.

Quote from: STuma on January 25, 2017, 11:48:57 AM
Kevin,

Great points... The offshore events are struggling as is. I think we could run a pursuit with ORC, just using the TOD rating. But, the problem is getting people to get a certificate. I do not know the percentage of boats racing a RR that have a valid certificate, but there is a large number of boats racing HMR that do not have a valid PHRFGB certificate. I think it would add a complication most RR-ers don't want to deal with. Many come out to have a nice sail with a large group of people and add a bit of competitiveness to it. Your point about the asym/sym at KWRW is one I have made since people were complaining about the asyms on RRs. The rating is designed to take the sail plan into effect. PHRFGB states "PHRF ratings are intended to be applied to closed course races. The system works well provided wind conditions affect all boats equally. It is not intended for races that are mostly off the wind or on the wind, or when changes in headsails are not permitted. Results from such races are ignored when setting PHRF handicaps." Before W/L courses were "the thing", we raced Triangle W/L (even Triangle W/L W/L) where J Mark was the windward mark. Then W/L courses came in, but many of the ratings didn't change. Some boats had benefited from this. I believe the Triangle W/L is the fairest way to rate a boat. But, this has to come from the race organizers. I've heard all kinds of arguments of why not to have reach legs, but they are part of racing. I think many of us have seen several lead changes on a WNR reach leg... There is a time and a place for every aspect of racing; pursuit, 1D, short courses, long courses, offshore, etc... Just look how complicated Rum Races have gotten... And I still think the Rum Races need to be pushed back to it's original start time...