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#1
Gary,

You are only referring to one method of ORC scoring, which is the triple number rating system. There are also multiple different triple number ratings that can be used based on course type (i.e all-purpose, Windward leeward, predominately upwind, predominately downwind, etc.) This is the type that are typically used in the larger regattas (Shoe, Bay Cups, GBCA ORC Champs, etc) with the PRO determining the appropriate number to use based on course type and average wind speed across the course during the race. The wind breaks are; Low (<9kt), Medium (9-14kt), or High (>14kt). There has been some argument in the past of whether or not the appropriate number is being used, which I agree. To that end there has been some discussion and work this winter to better communicate between the various PROs how best to pick based on observed wind. I can't speak for all the other PROs, but for the races I run I announce my intended rating via VHF prior to the warning signal of each race.

In addition to the triple number ratings, ORC also has various single number, or "All Purpose" ratings. These are more suited to pursuit-type racing like Icicle, Rum, and Fall Series. When we first decided to try ORC for rum races, we were scratching our head trying to figure out the best single number to use. We reached out to ORC directly for input, describing the general predominate wind speeds and direction, course angles, types of boats, etc. Based on that input, they recommended we use the Triple Number AP-Medium. This is what we have built our pursuit start times on since. So, your comment about not being done correctly is far from the truth.

As for your original question on why are we using ORC ratings, the short answer is it was/is an experiment. I feel PHRF still has a place in the racing we do around here. However, there is a newer and in my opinion better rating methodology in ORC. It is based on pure math, specific to the various hull types, wind speeds, wind angles, and a number of other factors, with the models updated annually. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but at least ORC is actively learning and trying to make it better. PHRF on the other hand is arbitrary by design, and has changed little since coming in to prevalence in the early 1980s. For the vast majority of club racing that is fine, but there are a handful of boats interested in more accurate and competitive ratings, and thus races.

If you are interested in really learning more about it, I would encourage you to go to the ORC site. There is no shortage of info explaining everything orc. You can also set up a free account in PRC sailor services ORC Sailor Services and access all issued certificates, and create test certificates to evaluate any potential changes to measured inputs. It is pretty transparent.

Also, you don't have to buy a certificate unless you want to. There are a number of One Designs that publish annual certs for free, which the J22 is one.  J22 ORC 2024

Chris



   
#2
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: Icicle Series
January 06, 2025, 10:25:49 AM
We know the start time is incorrect, and they are working on correcting it. I know it's a nuisance. It is irrelevant when calculating race results, so as long as you enter a correct finish time your result will be accurate.
#3
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: Fareast 19r
September 12, 2024, 03:06:09 PM
You would want to contact the PHRF board with that question. www.phrfgb.org

That said, there does not appear to be a 19r listed in the US Sailing national database. Therefore it might be hard to get one.
#4
Wednesday Night Racing / Re: Series awards
August 13, 2024, 11:32:08 AM
Gary,

Thanks for starting the thread. The Yard (next to Barge) is open at 5pm today. Darin and Amy plan to do awards there, starting at 7pm.

Thanks everyone for coming out.

Chris
#5
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: 2024 Icicle Races
December 28, 2023, 07:49:05 AM
The scale uses the slowest boat on the scale, the Pacific Seacraft 31, PHRF of 219 as the scratch start time of 11:39:32. The rest of the start times are the math based on the ORC differential.

The difference from the rum races is that the scratch time was based on the J22 as the slowest boat's PHRF. The Pacific Seacraft came later.
#6
From Greg Way - HYC Fleet Captain

"News Flash!!: For the first time, the HYC HOOD Regatta, to be held Sept. 16 -17, will include a class for PHRF Spin sailors! The course will be set south of Red Bluff."
#7
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#8
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: Summer Rum Races
June 15, 2023, 05:00:41 PM
Amendment #2 to the SIs just posted.

Only change was to update the list of ORC boats starting times.
#9
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: 2023 Rum Race Sis
June 15, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
Amendment #2 Posted to SIs.

The only change was an update to the ORC start times to add additional boats.
#10
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: Summer Rum Races
June 14, 2023, 08:45:13 AM
Amendment #1 Posted this morning.

Apologies, but there was a typo in the coordinates for the "Virtual Mark" 2A boundary for the oyster reefs.

The coordinate should read:

  - San Leon Oyster Mitigation 2A ”Virtual Mark” (SLOM 2A): N 29o 32.310’ W 094o 56.817’
#11
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: 2023 Rum Race Sis
June 14, 2023, 08:43:57 AM
Amendment #1 Posted this morning.

Apologies, but there was a typo in the coordinates for the "Virtual Mark" 2A boundary for the oyster reefs.

The coordinate should read:

  - San Leon Oyster Mitigation 2A ”Virtual Mark” (SLOM 2A): N 29o 32.310’ W 094o 56.817’
#12
Galveston Bay Area Racing / Re: Summer Rum Races
June 02, 2023, 08:42:49 AM
Thanks Gary,

See  https://orc.org/

If you go to the "Sailor Services" page, you can set up a log-in for no charge. That is where you have complete access to the database and can search for certificates.

We are working on getting a recording of last night's webinar posted so those that missed can access also.

Best,

Chris
#13
Yes, we are working on finalizing the NOR so 2022 is a placeholder. All other pieces (Fees and dates) are correct. The correct NOR will be released shortly.
#14
General Discussion / Re: Upcoming Regattas
September 19, 2022, 10:38:49 AM
All of the Fall Series will be Rum Race format, so the combined NOR/SIs will be posted on the website shortly.
#15
Gary,

Thanks for sharing the feedback. It is helpful, and we appreciate everyone coming out.

Chris