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It is beginning to look more and more like Stinger will need additional crew this year.  If you are interested please contact me at bee at panorama tech dot com or 713 562 3218.

I do not see how this can be done under normal PHRF rules.  Please Explain.

Quote from: STuma on January 09, 2018, 05:09:22 PM

Quote from: ShakenNotStirred on January 05, 2018, 11:09:30 AM

Quote from: STuma on January 04, 2018, 04:59:50 PM
... In the reviews, we do take in consideration sail age and condition, boat bottom condition, and mechanics of the boat itself.

Do you mean "we do not take in consideration sail age and condition, boat bottom condition, and mechanics of the boat itself." ?
Nor do you take into consideration the skill level of the crew.

I was going with a different thought process, but I see your point.. My thought was that when a rating is under review, we consider and evaluate the age of the sails, condition of the boat and bottom rather than just awarding a credit towards the rating.  Adjustment is not given for sails and boat condition not in race condition. If someone has 5 year old sails and thinks they should get a rating credit because they are not as fast as another boat, we consider this factor when reviewing the boat's performance. We take in consideration all factors of the boat's racing condition. When discussing a boat's rating, we do evaluate and consider the crew's skill level also. if a boat is sailed well, we acknowlege that and vice versa. My opinion of a boat in race ready configuration; fair and clean bottom (practically dry sailed condition), sails are to be less than two years old, and all hardware is updated and in perfect working condition. All adjustments must be operational and efficient to use. Crew is one that has years of experience with each other and able to perform each job without conversation and/or debate. There could be some exceptions, but IMHO.

This is what I expect, not necessarily representative of the POV of the committee.

Quote from: ShakenNotStirred on January 05, 2018, 11:09:30 AM

Quote from: STuma on January 04, 2018, 04:59:50 PM
... In the reviews, we do take in consideration sail age and condition, boat bottom condition, and mechanics of the boat itself.

Do you mean "we do not take in consideration sail age and condition, boat bottom condition, and mechanics of the boat itself." ?
Nor do you take into consideration the skill level of the crew.

My question is: Will boats that keep their bottoms spotless, have great crews, reduce weight as much as possible, and have relatively new and modern hi-tech sails be punished (for example a reduction in their PHRF rating) because they do? I certainly hope not.  This has been done in the past and in some cases has resulted in the destruction of a promising class.  However if they are to be punished do it early and give advanced warning so they can, perhaps, find other alternatives.

PHRF ratings are based on the assumption that each boat with a rating is in top notch condition with racing crew and  racing quality sails.  It appears to me that these ratings are also somewhat age based.  Generally older boats are going to be less competitive then more modern rigs. Sailing technology has changed considerably in the last 20 years. So, yes,  age matters but, in my opinion, it is not the most important aspect of sailing at a top race level.  One of the best comments I ever heard came from Vic Forsyth (Aftershock):  He said that whatever happens you start losing the race at the dock.  When you get to the dock you really must have both you and your boat as close to racing perfection as possible.

As a J/Boat owner, I can understand not wanting to compete against a J. J/Boats have to some degree made technological improvements, or maybe even better, have just kept up with the technological changes to some degree. Nevertheless they are no where near the all out speed demons produced by companies like Melges (M32) or foilers. Nevertheless many of the older J/Boats (J29, J35, J40, J44, J46) are still very competitive when sailed well.  People like Tom Sutton, Dave Christianson, Albrecht Goethe, Bill Zartler, Chris Lewis, Steve Rhyne, O. J. Young, John Barnett, Pedro Gianotti, Jay and Jody Lutz, Farley Fontenot, Terry Flynn, By Baldridge and many others have the ability to sail just about anything at a race level I can only dream about.  They are the kinds of sailors that know how to win and know what to do to make winning possible.  They are also the guys who can teach you how to do it.

Take a sailmaker to lunch.

This is what I have for M55 as well.

Quote from: STuma on December 11, 2017, 05:03:33 PM

Quote from: Hamburger No 1 on December 11, 2017, 12:59:55 PM
What's the lat/long of M55, Scott? My nifty Navionics calls all of them 'PA'.

I have 29°30.324'N  94°54.641'W, but it has been a couple of years since I've checked.  I plan to run out personally and acquire refreshed coordinates for both, M55 and the High Range. I have a plan to make M55 easier to see, but I will expose it after I have made it work (just incase it doesn't work as I plan).

The course length will go from 11.32nm to 12.81nm. I have a picture, but it would not allow me to attach it.

Interesting.

Quote from: SUPERGIRL on September 18, 2017, 08:29:02 AM
We have a new Level 110 class for the HOOD this weekend. Boats in the rating band of 100 - 120 agree to race heads up with no corrected time. Calling all j/92' and J/72s! Boats with a rating above 120 are encouraged in enter also. Its a W/L course.

HYC will have a line south of Bayport for this regatta to help with commute time.

I think this is a good idea.

Quote from: hayesrigging on September 15, 2017, 06:54:27 AM
I'd like to see the start pushed back to Friday and the course shortened up so everyone can make the party Sat night.  Taking two days off of work and ending up back home in Seabrook takes away from the "vacation" aspect of Harvest Moon.  Many people had to take off work 5 days or more due to the storm and won't be able or willing to take two additional days to race offshore.  I have spoken to many of the racers and they agree on this. 

I think the entries of our offshore races in the past shows that overnight racing and finishing at home is not a very popular race.  I do think we will get more participation for HM regardless of the format than we do for Heald Bank because many people have already planned for it but I do think a Friday start would be more appealing.

It me.  I wasn't on the vang.  Hell I can barely move.  Too much fat.

Quote from: Jeff K on September 12, 2017, 10:56:59 AM
It would be cool if they let the boats decide which way to go around the course, just sayin...

I don't think the course is settled at this point but my best guess is a start at Pleasure Pier just like a normal HMR and then a polygon around some marks --- Freeport, Buccaneer, Heald

Quote from: Andrea on September 05, 2017, 04:22:38 PM
What Bee said, except not quite what I heard.  See this link for the official info http://harvestmoonregatta.com/Click-Here-for-Information-10C1.html?LayoutID=31

Paul, Dwight and their team are working on getting things up and going.  Until then, the info in the link is what I have heard.

LYC is in the planning stages for an offshore ~120 mile triangle of some sort.  The idea to to have this regatta during the time of the HMR (canceled).  All funds will be donated to PA.

I knew he would do it so why not take as many pictures as possible.

Quote from: Deckhand on August 25, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
Nice photos Bee.....except for Charles !

What?  Say it isn't so. Why?

Went out with Laurie and Darryl from Windward SeaVentures and shot some photos of Wednesday Night Racers.  Link to the album

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135566963@N07/albums/72157685562509034

Let me know if you have trouble viewing.  This is only the third time I have used flickr so something might be amiss.

I suspect you are very close to spot on with your quote.  Free rum/beer/food at an excellent party filled with great people has got to be worth going around the marks.

Quote from: ShakenNotStirred on August 23, 2017, 09:05:47 AM

Quote from: Hamburger No 1 on August 22, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
There's a reason why the rum (!) races are the best attended events on the Bay!

Because they are FREE??? 

I am definitely OK with postponing.

I can resemble this remark, but somehow I am to stupid to recognize that I no longer can physically do what my brain, at the parts that work, thinks I can do. 

Seriously I think this has more to do with the current state of economics and the fact that many of us have to much white hair.

Quote from: Deckhand on August 16, 2017, 10:29:23 AM
For me;
Skipper is getting too old
Skipper is falling apart
I need to get a job so I can get some rest
Too many trophies.......No!
I know for me, life has just gotten in the way.
Scotty