GBCA Discussion Forum

Sounds pretty clear...
Eligibility ? each participant must be a bona fide member of the Club he/she is competing for, except that for borrowed boats, the owner or his representative may be permitted on a boat, but may not helm the boat while racing.  In addition, a non-member may be crew on a borrowed PHRF boat, but may not helm the boat while racing.

PHRF boat (borrowed boat) - Owner or owner rep permitted.  Additional non-member permitted.  Neither can drive.
PHRF boat (not borrowed) - No non-member permitted.  All crew must be members.
J/80 or Sonar (borrowed boat - Owner or owner rep permitted.  Can't drive.  No additional non-member.
J/80 or Sonar (not borrowed) - No non-member aboard.

The only boat a non-member can sail on is a borrowed PHRF boat.  If the PHRF boat is sailed by the owner (or his rep), no additional non-member can crew - it must be staffed by an all member crew.  J/80s and Sonars don't get a non-member unless that non-member is the boat owner or their rep.

GOOD Regatta?  Galveston (bay) Organized One Design?

TOAD Regatta?  Texas Open All-Design?

GLH Regatta?  Gbca Lyc, Hyc Regatta?

SOAK Regatta?  September One-design All-Keelboat (centerboards welcome!)

Don't focus on One-Design.  Non-Spin and PHRF welcome!  Windward / Leeward courses for some, Rig Racing for others. 

Heck, while we're at it, let's get Seabrook Sailing Club and TCYC involved too!  Do you think the Sonars would like to sail too, or the Sunfish and Lasers?  There are a ton of youth sailors in this area who would love to sail their Lasers against their Dads.

If this ends up getting enough traction, I'm stating right now that I WILL NOT WORK RACE COMMITTEE!!!  This is one event that you will find me on the water.  I may crew on all 3 (or 4) lines, but I will sail this event.  This is a golden opportunity for the different sailing organizations around here to pull together and hold a stellar event.

How about GBCA, LYC, and HYC cooperate and put on a three day event on the NOOD dates.  Big boat and PHRF line north of Red Bluff and one-designs south for the racers, and a third line south of Seabrook #2 that is the start/finish for a cruising course around Government marks and platforms.  Competitors Briefing at one club on Thursday, party and another on Saturday, and awards at the third on Sunday.

I wonder if the three clubs might work together on this one?

The NOOD is a profit center for Sailing World.  100 boats is their break even point.
This year we had less than 70 boats.  Last year was a no-go because of Ike (yet there were costs for SW).  And so on...
There just wasn't enough draw in Galveston Bay to sustain the event.
Sailing World has agreed to stay in touch and re-evaluate the situation in a few years.

Brian H.

Things are awfully quiet...  Friday evening at 9:00pm and barely a word.

Who's finished?  Who's withdrawn because of the squall line this morning?  What's going on???

Enquiring minds want to know:-)

Timex Ironman.  They all work the same and have all the bells and whistles you need in a race watch.  The best thing is that you can destroy 5 of them for the price of 1 "real" race watch and they'll last 10 times longer.

Quote from: Big John on September 03, 2009, 10:23:27 AM
Excellent
Let's put it to a vote. 
We can rename the handicaping method.  Call it TOF handicapping (for Three Old F_rts).  Unfortunately we have to wait till they finish out their term on the PHRF board for some of the best candidates.  And the Classic will provide the venue for all meetings.  Oh, I guess that is what you meant.  Excuse me.

J
(Wishing I had an anonymous screen name for posting stuff like this!!!)

This is what happens when you don't have a Delete button for your posts when you've had way too many alcoholic beverages or are off your meds.

Perhaps you'd be interested in tossing your name in the hat to serve John?  Then you could learn the process that PHRFGB follows, along with scores of other PHRF committees follow as directed by the National PHRF guidelines.  Although I've never served (like many, I'm too opinionated to be as objective I guess) I've had some perspectives in the workings of PHRFGB.  Those folks have a thankless job - as evidenced here.  They should be thanked often and loudly for that they volunteer to do.

I could say "Walk a mile in my shoes".  But then you'd have my shoes, I'd be barefoot, and you'd be a mile farther down the road. 

SailorJohny has a good point!  Party participation begins with getting yourself and your crew to the party.  Heck, forget the owner/skipper and come as crew!!!  The more the merrier!
We all look forward to seeing you at the parties Scott.  Bring your crew too!

There is no such thing as not enough rum at GBCA.  K-Box and I have ensured this:-)

Gee Scott, maybe you could help out with the yearly GBCA Intro to Racing seminar.  Once a year, GBCA volunteers teach a morning of rules, racing procedures (flags, timing, etc.) protests, and tactics followed by more volunteers climbing on boats with new racers regardless of whether they are boatowners / skippers or crew.

Why all the grief about L70s?  For years, those boats have fielded a class at every major regatta in this area almost every time.  Other than PHRF, you can usually count on the Level 70s to make a Class.  J/22s, J/24s, J/80s, J//105s, J/109s (see a theme here) certainly haven't shown such consistent participation.

No, I'm not crazy about some of their rules and preferences, but the Level 70s certainly do make their case by walking the walk.  Maybe some of the talkers ought to try walking.  If you don't like the way the Level 70s manage their own successful sandbox, then go build your own sandbox.  Look what the SOS sailors have accomplished in forming and managing their own unique class that has successfully filled a niche in our sailing community.  Level 70s have managed to meld a variety of Apples while excluding Oranges.  SOS lets in different fruits (no offense intended) that all play by the same rules.  If you can form an elite class of boats who exclusively use Banks Sails, you may have a new animal - have at it.  The point is that we desperately need to increase participation and the fun factor.  Not everyone enjoys trading fiberglass at the weather mark - some enjoy racing aroung rigs and government marks (a la Bay Cup).  The real question is how we get 100+ boats on the lines for the NOOD - not trolling about the perceived shortcomings of a 5 boat class.  As Rodney King so eloquently said (tongue firmly in cheek) "Why can't we all just get along?"

Quote from: KevinBednar on August 03, 2009, 10:41:41 PM
Well, given that August 8th is the birthday of Emiliano Zapata;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Zapata

I'd suggest Mexican food if my entry isn't too late.  Perhaps we could rename this Rum Race the Zapata Regatta?

Few people know that Zapata loved music and was a lesser known composer as well as a locally well known cook.

We could call it the Zapata Cantata Frittata Regatta.

Two 60lb children on the weather rail equals one girlfriend / wife or 1/2 boyfriend / husband in the doublehand race. 

The NOR and SIs are pretty clear.  Singlehanded / doublehanded - seems pretty clear.

Take the children for a nice sail after the race or this/next weekend.

Hmmmmm... I seem to be experiencing what a friend would call cognitive dissonance.

If symetric spin boats and a-sym spin boats have the same PHRF rating for windward / leeward courses and the a-sym boats seem to constantly beat the symetric boats, then wouldn't it stand to reason that the PHRF numbers are out of whack?  I mean, after all, isn't the idea of PHRF to handicap similar boats so that they correct out in a competitive fashion?  All this about hoisting / dousing, wind angles, sail cuts, etc. doesn't add up if the handicap formula assignments rate the boats as similar.  Either the J/109s and symetric old-boys rate the same, or they don't.  the PERFORMANCE part of PHRF may be a factor here if the 109s are able to execute sail change and maneuver evolutions faster / better than their symetric equivalents.  If the traditional Level 70 boats don't want the 109s playing in their sandbox, maybe they ought to lobby for a rating change for the 109s.  It seems they have grounds...   Alternatively, maybe the 109s could set / douse a little slower, sail a little lower, take a bit longer to gybe.  But then I guess Rule 2 would come into play:-)

In the end, this age-old argument has been discussed ad nauseum before and has generate many thousands of $'s for Mt. Gay and other rum brewers in the course of bar arguements.  In fact, it earned them another couple of oz. worth or revenue while I posted this

Would it make any sense to actually do something quantative to measure the equality / disparity between these boats?  What about a number of windward legs sailed over about a 2nm course to get a number of data points from a number of bothe J/109s and symetric Level-70s.  Add in some leeward legs and we can have some solid numbers to go forward to either ask PHRFGB for a change or for everyone to play happy TOGETHER!  Just an idea...

You wanted discussion John...

Quote from: MaryM on June 27, 2009, 11:34:15 PM
results?

http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_regatta_results.php?regatta_id=2219

BTW - I'm available to crew!!!