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General Category => Galveston Bay Area Racing => Topic started by: Kevin Box on November 22, 2009, 10:42:16 AM

Title: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on November 22, 2009, 10:42:16 AM
GBCA is not really a cruising club.  It?s pretty much always been about racing.  The club was formed in 1947 by a fleet of six Stout Fellas plus an assortment of four or five other cruising yachts, and was known as the Stout Fella Organization of Galveston Bay.  I guess that?s the way people talked back in the 40?s.  The next year, the SFOGB, as it were, became the Galveston Bay Cruising Association.  ?Cruising?, because it was a bunch of guys that wanted to race cruising boats.  Back then, the only organized racing in these parts was basically in one-design dinghys.  

As we now know, for a variety of cruising boats to compete on the race course, you need a handicap rule.  There have been many over the years.  The CCA rule was one that was popular back then.  CCA stood for Cruising Club of America, so you can now imagine someone coming up with the name Galveston Bay Cruising Association for our club.  Over the years, various handicapping schemes have come in and out of favor.  Most folks will bitch about whichever system is in place, unless, of course, they are winning under it.  And yet, I find myself trying to create a new one.  

I guess I should talk for a minute about various handicapping and measurement rules:

First, there is what?s known as One-Design.  In one-design racing, the boats are exactly the same, at least theoretically.  Stars, Ensigns, Etchells, Flying Scots, what have you.  It?s considered the purest form of yacht racing since, again, theoretically, boat handling, tactics and strategy rule the day.  But, since none of these boats can cruise the Caribbean, take the family on a weekender or even a comfortable day-sail for that matter, we?ll not dwell on them.

Then there are measurement rules, the most famous of these being the 12-Meter rule of the old America?s Cup boats.   If you?ve seen any of these 12-Meter Boats, you?ll note that they are WAY more than 12 meters long.  12 meters is actually the answer to a formula that takes waterline, sail area, displacement, mid-girth and blah, blah, blah and the answer to that: life, the universe and everything is 12.  

The modern term for these type rules is a ?Development Rule?, since it allows designers to come up with all sorts of innovations, providing the end result fits into this particular box.  Over time the boats asymptotically approach the most perfectly efficient, in-bred sailing machine that fits in the box.  

Similar rules come and go:

ORC
Midget or MORC
IOR
IMS
Americap ? Sounds patriotic
IRC ? in popular use now

New rules are good.  Folks get tired of the old rules, especially if they weren?t winning under them.  New and innovative, Handicap or Measurement or Box rules, keep boat builders busy.  Everybody wants new boats, especially people like me, who like to buy the latest in yacht building technology, after about ten years of depreciation, of course.  

These various systems apply to maybe ten to twenty percent of the yacht racing world, at best.  The rest, at least in this country, are racing under PHRF, the Performance Handicap Racing Fleet.  The goal of PHRF is to rate the boat, based on local observed performance.  This is why the same boat that rates 150 here, may rate 140 (10 seconds per mile faster) in San Francisco.  

PHRF is the best, most affordable system we have at the local weekend warrior level.  It?s a cheap, easily administrated system that, for 25 bucks a year gives a lot of value.  Since it?s administrated locally, ratings can be appealed based on local performance.  PHRF does, however, assume some things that are rather distasteful to the cruising sailor who would like to occasionally race his boat.

One thing it assumes is no extra weight: No anchor on the bow.  No BBQ.  No Bimini.  No Dinghy Davits.  No tools, extra clothes, spare parts, fuel, water, water guns, guns of any nature,  Mardi Gras beads, grass skirts or coconut bras.  No Calphalon cookware, TV, DVD player, surround sound, full liquor locker or case of 2003 Caymus Cabernet? Nada.   No credit for any of this.  No fun.  

It also assumes a perfectly clean and fair bottom, keel and rudder as well as optimum sails for the conditions.  These are not 5-10-year old Dacron sails.  It gives a small credit for a fixed 2 or 3 bladed prop that does not pay.

Another thing that PHRF assumes is perfect crew work, tactics and strategy.  Sorry Grandma.  Would you mind watching the dog for awhile?  You kids be good and mind Mommy until Daddy and his crew get back to the dock.  He?ll order pizza later if he?s not too tired, sunburned or drunk.  This is wrong.  The whole family should all be able to get tired, sunburned and drunk together, local regulations permitting.

Again, PHRF is a great system which runs on the effort of experienced volunteers who have a passion for yacht racing and seek to make things fair for all.  It?s just that under that system, there?s no way to give racer/cruisers who are more on the cruising end of the spectrum, credit for all those things I just mentioned.

I?ve wondered why the majority of boats on the dock don?t race and though I think I?ve begun to answer my own question, I still ask other sailors that won?t consider it, WHY?  Racing is a wonderful experience and the very best way to learn to sail in the most seamanlike manner possible.  Being able to sail your boat at optimum efficiency on any given point of sail and to execute timely strategic maneuvers is not the province of elite yacht racing snobbery.  It is, in fact, just good seamanship.  Just like dragging four fenders of various sizes all over Galveston Bay, is not good seamanship.  

In reality, I?ve found that most every sailor has a little bit of racer in them, whether they care to admit it or not.  A typical example is the morning I was getting ready to head out for a day of race committee work on a local regatta.  One of the old hands around the marina says ?what are you up to today??  ?Oh, I?m going out to help run a sailboat race.?  ?Yeah, well all that racing crap?s just not for me.?  ?Yeah, I know.?  ?Say, what kind of boat do you have anyway??  ?It?s an Islander 36 and a damn good one.  It?s a hell of a boat boy.  I wouldn?t trade it for nothin?.  I?d sail that boat anywhere?  Well, I guess everybody likes their boat.  ?So, if you were out sailing and an identical Islander 36  came up from behind and just rolled right over the top of you like you were anchored, how would that set with you??  ?Oh, Bullshit on that!  I?d tighten that jib and pull that main up?He ain?t passing me like that.?  Ah ha!  A latent racer!  A one-design champion at that, with the fastest Islander 36 on the planet!  But, I digress.

Even among ?serious? racers, the thing I?ve noticed about everyone is that you can?t be DFL in every race for long without questioning the whole program.  That goes for the $500K race boat full of Kevlar and Carbon, right down to the Center cockpit Crab Crusher 32.  You?ve got to get a little taste of silver every now and then, or at least be in the hunt.  This sort of thing is what got me thinking about a more cruiser friendly handicap racing system.  So, I have come up with the ?GBCA Club Handicap.?

The GBCA Club Handicap is based on 100% observed performance as measured by finish times.  No matter what the configuration or payload of your boat is, as long as it remains consistent, it will eventually achieve a sort of parity with the other boats in the class.  In fact, a key component is keeping your boat consistent.  No fair racing for three in a row and then taking off the 45lb CQR and 200 feet of chain and draining your fuel and water tanks.  You just sail like you normally would.

The way it works is like this.  Each boat will start out with a handicap.  If you have a PHRF certificate, we?ll use that.  If not, we?ll assign a rating.  Don?t like that rating, don?t worry.  Most boats don?t like their rating.  In fact, while there are guys lined-up to protest their rating because it?s too fast, I don?t believe a boat ever came to the PHRF Committee and said ?You know, I guess my boat is rated a little slow.  Y?all should just go ahead and subtract a few seconds from me.?  I wonder why that is?

After each race, each boats handicap will be adjusted based on its performance relative to the median boat in the fleet.  I?m not going to bore you here with complex formulas, even though it?s not all that complex.  The gist of the system is: that if you lost to the middle boat, your handicap will be raised by a portion of the time in seconds/mile that you lost.  The ?portion? is a formula that takes into account the speed of the race.  On a race in 15-20 knots, the delta between boats is more significant than a five-knot-fiesta, where you might sail off into a hole for 20 minutes.  In practice, the factor should range from 15-25%.  This means that if you lost by 30 seconds per mile to the middle boat on a good seabreeze day, your handicap for the next race will be 6-7 seconds higher.  And conversely for the speed demon who beat the middle guy by 30 seconds per mile.  He gets his rating lowered 6-7 seconds.

We?re going to roll out the system as an experiment for the Icicle Series.  That will be the first 5 Saturdays of the New Year.  If all goes well with good participation, we?ll continue to use it for all regattas and series.  The Icicle Series will be free and open to the public.  After that, you?ll have to be a GBCA senior member.  

If you are interested in signing-up, send me a message through this site with details of your boat and/or its rating.  And tell your cruising dock friends about it too.



Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on November 22, 2009, 03:09:57 PM
Sounds great. We're in.
`99 C&C 110 Dacron sails, assym spinn flown off the bow stem with ATN. Shoal draft. Current PHRF 90 (I think). Boat sails with bride and 4 young kids as crew. Dinghy, outboard, kayak, HVAC, etc.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on November 22, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
Wow.  What a concpt.  If this doesn't get them out, nothing will.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Stellar of Course on November 22, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
Kevin:

When I first heard you mention this new system, TMCA meeting, I was onboard. Count on us entering in the Cruisng class for the icicle series.

Stellar of Course
CaL 33-2
PHRF rating 171.

I hope we have a warm January so we can more boats out.

Ron Eddleman
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: marc on November 22, 2009, 07:23:15 PM
You'll have to have a Race Committee on station to take finishes and times at the Icicle Series. The St Barth's and Newport Bucket regattas do a similar thing, adjusting handicaps after each day.

Personally, I don't think the current system is broken, so don't understand the need to fix it. So, as I read it different boats in One Design configuration could have different ratings.

Marc
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: JayZ on November 22, 2009, 07:58:44 PM
kind of sounds a bit like golf handicapping.  should be different and fun.

Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: JayZ on November 22, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
forgot to add,  I hope it gets some new boats out on the water and truly grows the cruising class.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on November 22, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
The GBCA Club Handicap Class is not designed to replace or ?fix? anything in the current state of yacht racing.  We do not expect one-design or even most PHRF boats to compete under it.  It was created as a way to get new people/boats into the sport.   The original post was mostly an excerpt from a talk I gave at the TMCA monthly meeting.  It was fairly well received, so I was encouraged about this particular avenue for growing our sport.

It?s not a new invention.  It is a marriage of PHRF ?golf handicapping? and a system used at the Santa Barbara Yacht Club which has been very successful.  Some might like it.  Others might not.  Some may get the fever so bad that they start doing things like changing to a folding prop, getting bottom jobs, hiring divers and consulting sailmakers.  Some may become so infected that they go out and get a one-design race boat.

It?s an experiment.  We don?t really know what will happen.  We just know that we have to try.  Something to chew on for the next week besides turkey.  More details to come.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on November 22, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
I think anything to get folks out there and sailing/racing, with their families, is a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: B Sailing/Alan Bates on November 23, 2009, 10:22:16 AM


I personally seem to sail slower than most people--can I get a handicap?
~~Alan
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on November 23, 2009, 11:21:22 AM
Well, Alan,  you may sail slower, but you do train great mainsail trimmers.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: jhjoiner on November 23, 2009, 03:45:11 PM
//  This will open the door for so many that want to crew but have little sailing experience-I have heard many complaints about decline in racing numbers so this could start a new era! 
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: jsailor on November 23, 2009, 06:29:27 PM
Yeah -- the cruising class can be a lot of fun.

At the Turkey Day Regatta on Saturday the crew on one boat got to thinking about how good some fresh crabs would be after the race.

They stopped along the way to pick up a crab trap full of fresh crabs.

They kept them underwater all the way around the race course just so they would be fresh when they returned to the dock.

What a feast... 5 large crabs.



Seriously though, it would be good to see a lot of cruising boats out on the race course. It is a great way to learn to sail amd have a great time too!
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on December 01, 2009, 11:23:47 AM

Kevin, I would like to sign up for this experiment:

Figaro
Contessa/OOD 34 SM
PHRF (non-spin): 153

Thanks,
Gerhard Wittich
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: tsampsel on December 16, 2009, 11:46:26 AM
Count me in!

Reflection
Catalina 320
Dacron everything
Wing keel
PHRF - 185

How about you other 320's?????  You know you're out there.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on December 16, 2009, 07:49:43 PM
Kevin-
Is this gonna start with the Icicle series?
CP
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on December 16, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
Yes sir.  The Icicle SI contains some special instructions for participating:

http://www.gbca.org/isinst.html (http://www.gbca.org/isinst.html)
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on December 20, 2009, 01:24:44 PM
Great! We're there. We'll be sailing non-spin this time; Non-spin PHRF 102. How does being a novice big boat racer with, bride, 4 young kids, kayak, dinghy, dinghy motor, opti, HVAC, and more gear than I can haul in my truck effect the rating? .... Are there points for bravery?
CP
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on December 20, 2009, 03:07:08 PM
Kevin-
Never mind - just re-read your initial post.
Sounds better all the time!See you there.
CP
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: captROB on December 25, 2009, 08:53:58 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone.  Kevin, please put the "Wandering Star" in for the cruising class.  Hunter 38 (2005) and the PHRF is 140.  To all you Hunter 38's out there ( I know that there are at least 3 and maybe 4 other 38's of the same vintage)  If we would all race, we could have a one design of our own.  Come on out, get on board.  It will be fun.  I have been slugging it out for about 5 years now on the Wandering Star.  Won the non-spin Frostbite back a few years ago.  Bad weather forced out the competition on the first day and they couldn't recover.  I like racing, but I am way tired of just subsidizing the GBCA race funds (I do drink my share of the rum after the races however).  This cruising class with "stuff" is going to be fun.  See you all on the water.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on December 30, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
Here are the boats that are signed-up so far:

Shaken Not Stirred
ChrisP (need boat name)
Yippee HiHo
Wandering Star
Figaro
Stellar of Course
Reflection
Lil Bit a Sol

Please send me a personal message through this site per the SI to join this experiment ;D
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on December 31, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
Kevin, per SI, here is my contact info:

(713) 854-6240
gwittich@aol.com

Gerhard Wittich
"Figaro", a short mast cruising version of a Contessa 35/OOD 34
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on December 31, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
Looks like an interesting new fleet.  Hopefully this bunch will grow and propser.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 02, 2010, 10:31:26 PM
We had a great turnout for the GBCA Club Handicap Class.  Results were:

1.   Lil Bit ol Sol
2.   Shaken-not-Stirred
3.   Makani Kai
4.   Figaro
5.   Stellar of Course

I?ve created a sign-up form available from our homepage on Regatta Network.  http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html  (http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html)  

Please register there, even if you have previously given us your information.  It is free, and it will allow us to blast e-mails to all the class members with the latest info.  It will also give you a chance to correct my spelling of your boat name or other details that may have been lost during the after-party?

If you raced today and weren?t on the list of registered boats or have not reported your finish time, be sure to avail yourself of this avenue.  This is your class.  Have fun!

Fair winds,

Kevin
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 03, 2010, 08:29:22 PM
Here are the rating results from the GBCA ?supercomputer? for Icicle Series race number one:  
Boat              Race 1 Rating   New Rating
      
Lil Bit a Sol               187   167
Shaken Not Stirred     93      88
Makani Kai               126    124
Figaro                    153     151
Katana                   175     173
Stellar of Course       171   173
Wandering Star        140   145
Invictus                 102   110
CurmudgeonII         147   159
Skalawag               157   173
Yippee HiHo(dns)      127   127
Reflection(dns)        185   185


Ratings will also be updated on the Regatta Network site http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html (http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html)  Please register there if interested in participating in the GBCA Club Handicap class.

PS: I have tried to make the table look good and even after stripping it down to ratings only, it posts much worse than it previews.  I will seek help from the webmaster but since I had said I would post something today, here it is.  
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Terry Young on January 04, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Kevin
"KATANA" finish time 02:41:16 (GPS) Cruising Class, 1983 Hunter 34 sail #373 PHRF cert. 175, please log time. Terry Young.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 04, 2010, 12:42:13 PM
Terry,

I will add Katana to the database.  Ratings may change slightly since the mean finish time will probably change.
I'll post an update this evening.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on January 04, 2010, 04:06:51 PM
Kevin-
So how does this work?.... Do we call or e-mail with our finish times? Over VHF? Is there a sort of "committee boat" that logs times at the finish?
Thanks-
CP
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 04, 2010, 08:10:48 PM
Be sure and study the Sailing Instructions: http://www.gbca.org/isinst.html  for all the important rules that are common to all classes, like the fact that the course reverses each week.  It?s a good idea to go ahead and print them and keep a copy handy on the boat.  Specifically for the GBCA Club Handicap, remember:

VII. Handicaps
?GBCA Club Handicap: Yachts intending to participate in the GBCA Club Handicap class shall send a Personal Message to Kevin Box via the GBCA Discussion Forum.  The message shall include the yacht?s description and contact information for the skipper.  Participants and current ratings will be posted on the GBCA Discussion Forum. Ratings will be adjusted based on fleet performance after each race.?

VIII. Special Instructions
?The GBCA Club Handicap class flag is bright orange.?

IX. Finishing
?GBCA Club Handicap: The first yacht in the GBCA Club Handicap class to cross the finish line will be the winner of the class and be required to record the next 4 places by recording the boat name and or sail numbers.  The winning yacht shall also record the finish time of the next 4 places.  Each yacht finishing shall record their finish time and report it to the Fleet Captain after the race.?

If the Fleet Captain is not at the party after the race (rare), another ?Official? will be collecting finish places and times, as well as handing out the prizes.  Please send me an e-mail or PM with your finish time as well.  There is no race committee for the Icicle Series, so it?s important that everyone take their own time regardless of finishing place.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Chris P on January 04, 2010, 08:36:02 PM
Duh... Oh yeah. Sorry. Thanks for the clarification.
CP
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 04, 2010, 08:41:16 PM
Here are the lastest rating results from the GBCA ?supercomputer? for Icicle Series race number one after adding Katana: 
Boat              Race 1 Rating   New Rating
     
Lil Bit a Sol               187   167
Shaken Not Stirred     93      88
Makani Kai               126    124
Figaro                    153     151
Katana                   175     173
Stellar of Course       171   173
Wandering Star        140   145
Invictus                 102   110
CurmudgeonII         147   159
Skalawag               157   173
Yippee HiHo(dns)      127   127
Reflection(dns)        185   185
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: JayZ on January 05, 2010, 08:20:53 AM
Good Turn out for the cruising class.  Nice Work guys!

Is there a link that shows all those that have signed up to participate in this class?





Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 05, 2010, 08:47:11 AM
I've asked evryone to sign-up at http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html (http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html) and most have already.  The ratings there were updated this morning.  Select "View Registrants" under the event "GBCA Club Handicap Racing".  There is no entry fee for the Icicle Series.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: JayZ on January 05, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
Cool Thanks.

I won't be out in Banjo Girl until the Spring I think  -Old Boat, lots of projects...
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: JayZ on January 05, 2010, 09:52:27 AM
looks like only eight vessels when I click on the link but more than 8 raced... ???

anyway, I'm only curious to see who is registered and if there are any newcomers




Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 05, 2010, 10:05:51 AM
10 raced last weekend.  13 signed-up in one form or another.  Not everyone has signed-up on the RN site yet.  That's why you see 8 there.  The turnout has exceeded my expectations to be sure.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: STuma on January 05, 2010, 02:38:06 PM
What about a GC 20 with a carbon mast and asymmetrical chute?  If I start tomorrow I can finish with everyone else...
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Honu on January 06, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
Okay!  Honu, our Catalina 320, is signed up for the new Cruising class.  I have also registered on the regatta network.  I am ready to finish not in last like icicle #1.  Last to another 320 by half a boat length.  Hey, we're cruisers with a 120 jib, not the huge bed-sheets most are flying.  Also, we add water to the boat before a race to make sure we have water for the head.  All the liquor on the boat also slows us down!
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on January 07, 2010, 08:31:07 PM

Kevin, "Figaro" is sitting in the mud. We will not be able to race this Saturday.

Gerhard Wittich
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on January 07, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
Where are you sitting in the mud?
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on January 08, 2010, 12:36:32 AM


In the slip at LYC. (We tried to relocate the boat on Wed. but it was already too late.)
I am ready to crew if somebody needs a hand.
GW
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on January 08, 2010, 12:45:52 AM
By the way, thanks for asking.
GW
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on January 08, 2010, 07:35:12 AM
I asked because Stinger draws 6.5 feet and I always wonder if I will be able to get past the Marina Restaurant.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on January 08, 2010, 11:21:58 AM

Bee, thanks for the offer to crew but in the meanwhile I have sustained a knee injury (skiing) and could not contribute much.
Good luck tomorrow!

GW
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Bee on January 08, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Thanks.  Take care of the injury.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Terry Young on January 14, 2010, 07:10:46 AM
Kevin, some one asked me this question. In the Cruising clas is it legal to fly a cruising spinnaker or not. I think not, but wait for your reply!
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 14, 2010, 08:59:34 PM
You can go either way.  If you intend to use a spinnaker from the get-go, you should start with that rating when you register.  We encourage learning and development of skills, so if after some time you want to try one, go ahead and whip it out.  Your rating will adjust over time depending on its effect on your performance.

Good taste and the Corinthian spirit suggest that you don?t fly a kite for the first time during a major regatta.
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 19, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
The ratings for Icicle Race #4 are now current on the GBCA Club Handicap entry page:

http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html (http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubs/gbca.html)



Good luck!

Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: gwittich on January 28, 2010, 12:08:49 PM

Kevin, will we have updated ratings for Icicle #5 ?
Title: Re: GBCA Cruising Class
Post by: Kevin Box on January 28, 2010, 01:33:08 PM
They are posted now.  Sorry about the delay.  

http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_registrant_list.php?regatta_id=2575&custom_report_id=2 (http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_registrant_list.php?regatta_id=2575&custom_report_id=2)