I thought I would let everyone know that the Robbins family and our crew are moving to new racing venue - we just don't know what it is yet :). Triple Play is now out of racing unless the new owner decides to do Harvest Moon. Otherwise, he plans on fitting the boat out for cruising which is a perfect use of a Grand Soleil 39.
It has been great racing on the Bay with everyone. Lots of good times and super PHRF racing. Hopefully we will be out there again soon.
Brad & Mary
Brad,
Don't stay gone long!
105-105-105-05-105
Hmm Did I say 105?
no way, Bee! Brad wants some nice furniture! I raise you 4 and offer J/109! I've heard there's a good one for sale right here in good ol' Galveston Bay!
Furniture? Who needs furniture? Nice thing about a 105 is one can clean is quickly and easily with a standard issue water hose.
What one needs is a class with boats that appear regularly.
Wow, I'll tell you one thing - I'm not going to miss seeing that ginormous blue kite coming downwind right on our tail! ;) Hope to see the Robbins clan out on other boats until you decide on your new boat - I hope the new owner has as much fun with Triple Play as you all had.
J80's cheaper than a 105. ;)
Brad - Are you getting any suggestions on what kind of boat you need to get next???? :)
I am thinking that my little Sunfish fleet might be enough for now, but I do appreciate the helpful advice. Interesting idea, Scott, about considering a J80 or maybe even a J22 or Viper? So many options for an old guy with strong sons for crew :)
I hear that there may be 3 - J111s on the Bay in 2011 - that would satisfy the wife and all my regular crew but might devastate my bank account :).
Too many one design options.
Brad-
Just sent you an e-mail! Your worries are over! throw your lot in with me! I can help you! 5 J/105s and 2 J/109's in our brokerage listings and J/111's on the way! Of course there is the new center board J/108-Race the bay on weekends, do the Wednesday nights, and then pull up the Club Classic dock afterwards!
Lots of options for you. but I know the J/109 and J/105 fleets would love to have you!
Scott
Congratulations Brad. Good Luck with whatever comes next.
Enjoy being a non-boat owner as long as it feels good.
Jay Z.
So who is buying the 111's?
Quote from: JayZ on December 07, 2010, 07:21:52 AM
Congratulations Brad. Good Luck with whatever comes next.
Enjoy being a non-boat owner as long as it feels good.
Jay Z.
That's a good point .. ;D
Enjoy not being a boat owner AND still go sailing on a J/80 and J/105--www.bsailing.com
(shameless plug)
I will not miss getting caught in the huge bad air zone Triple Play blanketed the start line with. :-\
A buddy of mine was talking about your program during the HYC Turkey Regatta.... sounds like a nice set-up. You should pull the trigger on those new additions...
Quote from: B Sailing on December 09, 2010, 11:13:54 AM
Enjoy not being a boat owner AND still go sailing on a J/80 and J/105--www.bsailing.com
(shameless plug)
I will not miss getting caught in the huge bad air zone Triple Play blanketed the start line with. :-\
yes, shame on you Alan... LOL.. but, I do agree with not missing the oxygen masks dropping from the boom as TP rolls by...
and we can't forget the F-28R's that are for sale!!!
Best bang for the buck on the bay right now is the 1D 35, with you there would be a class that should be pretty active.
Quote from: Screwloose on December 14, 2010, 07:13:49 AM
Best bang for the buck on the bay right now is the 1D 35, with you there would be a class that should be pretty active.
Hmmm. Yacht World has 4-5 1D35's for sail in the 69-79K range. One can get a good J105 for about 10K more then that.
Racing a 1D35 has the following wonderful properties:
8-9 crew
Difficult to sail really well
Nice big symmetric kite with pole and all the trimmings.
Nice collection of expensive sails
Nice deep draft to keep you of the water in the winter.
No backstay
Precisely 2 on the bay. One more makes a heavenly 3
Contrast the J105 properties:
Easy to sail with only two crew
Fabulous heavy air boat --- Speeds in excess of 18 knots in heavy winds --- Ask Zartler
5-6 crew is all that's required to race a J105
Nice big easy to set asymmetric kite off a sprit with minimal trimmings.
Fixed set of exactly 4 sails, all of which come in at $3,600 or less
Sail purchases limited to 5 in each 2 year period
Inexpensive to maintain and race.
5 on the bay. One more makes 6.
Good chance for at least 1 more to make 7
Annual J-Fest with 10 boats this year.
Next year Fleet 17 will sponsor a perpetual trophy for a SouthWest Championship at the J-Fest.
Draft of 6.5 feet means year around sailing on the bay.
Great national class association
650+ boats built world-wide means it exceeds critical mass for OD racing in North America.
Bang?
Bee--PLEASE let me know where I can get 4 new J105 sails for $3,600
That's average price per sail.
I have one I will sell you for half that.
BTW, the big C & C 110 was less than that. No guarantees Ed will do that again, but its a fine kite.
What I think burns was eluding too was, for 65k you can get a boat that rates 33. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows the short comings of the J-105 so I won't get into a boat bashing thread with you. You were correct on two points though, the amount of boats and the easiness of the A-kite.
I tend to look at price/knot boat speed...
a 28' trailerable (slip is $100/month compared to $250-400/month) for $60-90k where 75% of the time, you're sailing over 15-20 knots, with one or two people.
To race the 28, you only need 3-4 people. That is a huge benefit over any of the mono's around.
The boat has proven to be fast in the bay and one of the fastest on HMR (I believe all F-28's have beaten the 105's, 109's and ID 35's boat for boat each year)..
The cost overall cost of sails is less on the 28 because of the full battons and class jib. The initial cost of a main is more because of the battons, but we can agree that full battons sails last longer.
I will admit the 105 appears to have a strong class, and the multi group are a bit strange at times... There are so many factors and depends on what the primary needs are. I prefer to go fast and flat.
Get a Catalina 22 and come play on Wednesday nights~ ;D
There are no short comings to a J105 when racing class.
Bee everyone is going to get a 105 when they get as old as you. In the meantime the 1D is a lot of fun.
Didn't say they aren't a lot of fun. Didn't say one shouldn't buy one. Didn't intend to rile anyone up.
Of course, if I was as good of a sailor as you guys are, if I wasn't too old to sail one, and if I could find enough young crew, then maybe I would buy one.
all that aside--it really comes down to: porta potty vs. real marine head. :o
Those ID35's are a lot of boat for 65K. Big, ergonomic open cock-pit. I thought they were much more expensive than that... but I guess not. Very sexy boats.. i'll bet you have no issue finding crew!
It's going to be fun to watch them duke it out with the 122 and 111's when those arrive. Next year's Texas Race week and the other off-shore events could be very interesting in the fast boat class.
I'm surprised you don?t see more Fboats active on the bay. Cool machines but from what i understand (no first-hand knowledge) that's a very different game.
By the way - what is triple play and who is this Brad Robbins guy?!
Quote from: Bee on December 17, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Didn't say they aren't a lot of fun. Didn't say one shouldn't buy one. Didn't intend to rile anyone up.
Of course, if I was as good of a sailor as you guys are, if I wasn't too old to sail one, and if I could find enough young crew, then maybe I would buy one.
No riling taken at all. I think this is a fun discussion and we should all thank Brad for selling his boat so we can tell him how to spend the proceeds.
Quote from: B Sailing on December 17, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
all that aside--it really comes down to: porta potty vs. real marine head. :o
One has to have their priorities straight!
So what your saying bee is that since brad has those young boys that don't mind peeing off the back of the boat, a od 35 might in fact be the right choice?
I like this game.... who else needs boat advice? Charles, I know your ready to move up ;-)
Quote from: B Sailing on December 17, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
all that aside--it really comes down to: porta potty vs. real marine head. :o
Port-a-potty?? Shoot, between Revolution and the Soling, I'm lucky to get a bucket! (ah the joys of being a female sailor!) ::) :) Can't wait 'til David and I have our own cruiser/racer again!
Quote from: Jonsey on December 17, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
By the way - what is triple play and who is this Brad Robbins guy?!
Triple Play was the largest and most intimidating vessel to sail these here Galveston Bay waters. Her teak decks were cared for by the most dedicated of crews and her bottom was as slick as her spinnaker was large. At 39' long and with her tall mast she easily blanketed all who dared to start a race below her proud bow. Her skipper was none other than the infamous Brad Robbins, who although was sometimes known for his light hand on the wheel, would never have conquered so much, nor be so renowned without his crew of strapping young gents and assorted old guys.
Quote from: DollFin on December 17, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: B Sailing on December 17, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
all that aside--it really comes down to: porta potty vs. real marine head. :o
Port-a-potty?? Shoot, between Revolution and the Soling, I'm lucky to get a bucket! (ah the joys of being a female sailor!) ::) :) Can't wait 'til David and I have our own cruiser/racer again!
Karen,
you are saying they actually have a bucket? WOW!
Quote from: Brads Sons on December 18, 2010, 12:44:05 PM
Quote from: Jonsey on December 17, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
By the way - what is triple play and who is this Brad Robbins guy?!
Triple Play was the largest and most intimidating vessel to sail these here Galveston Bay waters. Her teak decks were cared for by the most dedicated of crews and her bottom was as slick as her spinnaker was large. At 39' long and with her tall mast she easily blanketed all who dared to start a race below her proud bow. Her skipper was none other than the infamous Brad Robbins, who although was sometimes known for his light hand on the wheel, would never have conquered so much, nor be so renowned without his crew of strapping young gents and assorted old guys.
Assorted old guys? Be careful, I know who you are and I know where you live...
;)
Thanks to everyone for your responses - both the humorous ones as well as the educational. I have decided to make a total change - from a 39', 21,000 pound PHRF racer with a crew of 11 to a 21', 800 pound one design with a crew of 3. Yes, we are buying a Viper 640! We look forward to racing in the Bay, but also participating in the Texas Viper Circuit.
See you out there soon.
Brad
You will definitely have fun with that Brad. Wish I was a bit less arthiritically inclined.
Brad?s boat will be accompanied by Vipers for Billy Richnow and Pat Gibson, both members of HYC and will be very active on Galveston Bay and the Texas Circuit. I?m picking up a second boat from Arizona in a few weeks and plan on leaving it down in Houston for much of the summer. Add Duck and Dive and there?s quite an active little fleet brewing on the bay. Wednesday night?s could get interesting, especially if it?s breezy!
I believe there's one boat in that container without a deposit on it. I think Juan may have people who may have expressed interest but until money is in hand, it?s available!
Quote from: Brad on December 20, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
Thanks to everyone for your responses - both the humorous ones as well as the educational. I have decided to make a total change - from a 39', 21,000 pound PHRF racer with a crew of 11 to a 21', 800 pound one design with a crew of 3. Yes, we are buying a Viper 640! We look forward to racing in the Bay, but also participating in the Texas Viper Circuit.
See you out there soon.
Brad
Sweet! I had a great time racing with them, and I am sure you guys will do very well.
cheers...
Scott