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If you don't know about surge protection and ground fault protection just ask me. I am Schneider Electric for 2 months.  Then I get expensive.

Long story short i lost my 52 Irwin and 150K from a Hurricane and a Power surge.  Walter took a hit on Firewater and had to replace his shore power and AC panel. My little boat took a hit and all my AC panel lights went out.  I just purchased a surge protector/GF sensor for 30 amp service for $190

The marinas have no surge protection and are grandfathered in to current specs. Protect your boat!!

Jenna, Clay and the now launched Whitney attempt to escape and they eventually find an exit. Jenna and Clay eventually meet up again, and she decides to help him search for his sister, Whitney.

Looking to gain some experience...
Relatively new to sailing, but I have my 101, 103, & 104. I live in Houston, so Wednesday night races would be hard, but I'd be very interested in helping on any weekend.

Cheers,
Mark

If it is self righting, yes it can get a PHRF cert.  If there is not one int he country that has a PHRF rating, it will be a challenge for the PHRF committee.  The rating guidelines can be found on phrfgb.org.

  Terry, it's not the first time this has happened. It happened several times last summer and also Icicle #3 this year. Some boats that finished behind me, wound up scoring ahead of me, submitting their times after the party. I just put it off as captains not having the correct GMT or didn't pay attention when they finished and submitting what time they think they finished. Anyway, I think of the Rum Races as just fun sails where my crew gets boat handling practice without any real pressure.
  A side note, I have only had two Rum Races in the past several years that I did not get fouled at one of the mark rounding, that I had to crash tack or jib to avoid being hit. So scoring in my mind is a minor problem, getting skippers to know the Rules of Racing is a bigger issue.
 

Race commette please note that you have "Hi Hopes" finishing in front FireWater, and Sirly in ICE#4 results on the web, although Hi Hopes sailed well but they were several minutes, behind FireWater and Sirly. Not sure what is going on with the PHRF Spin scroring web site but can the please be corrected this before the final results are inputted. Many THanks!

Gary,

You are only referring to one method of ORC scoring, which is the triple number rating system. There are also multiple different triple number ratings that can be used based on course type (i.e all-purpose, Windward leeward, predominately upwind, predominately downwind, etc.) This is the type that are typically used in the larger regattas (Shoe, Bay Cups, GBCA ORC Champs, etc) with the PRO determining the appropriate number to use based on course type and average wind speed across the course during the race. The wind breaks are; Low (<9kt), Medium (9-14kt), or High (>14kt). There has been some argument in the past of whether or not the appropriate number is being used, which I agree. To that end there has been some discussion and work this winter to better communicate between the various PROs how best to pick based on observed wind. I can't speak for all the other PROs, but for the races I run I announce my intended rating via VHF prior to the warning signal of each race.

In addition to the triple number ratings, ORC also has various single number, or "All Purpose" ratings. These are more suited to pursuit-type racing like Icicle, Rum, and Fall Series. When we first decided to try ORC for rum races, we were scratching our head trying to figure out the best single number to use. We reached out to ORC directly for input, describing the general predominate wind speeds and direction, course angles, types of boats, etc. Based on that input, they recommended we use the Triple Number AP-Medium. This is what we have built our pursuit start times on since. So, your comment about not being done correctly is far from the truth.

As for your original question on why are we using ORC ratings, the short answer is it was/is an experiment. I feel PHRF still has a place in the racing we do around here. However, there is a newer and in my opinion better rating methodology in ORC. It is based on pure math, specific to the various hull types, wind speeds, wind angles, and a number of other factors, with the models updated annually. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but at least ORC is actively learning and trying to make it better. PHRF on the other hand is arbitrary by design, and has changed little since coming in to prevalence in the early 1980s. For the vast majority of club racing that is fine, but there are a handful of boats interested in more accurate and competitive ratings, and thus races.

If you are interested in really learning more about it, I would encourage you to go to the ORC site. There is no shortage of info explaining everything orc. You can also set up a free account in PRC sailor services ORC Sailor Services and access all issued certificates, and create test certificates to evaluate any potential changes to measured inputs. It is pretty transparent.

Also, you don't have to buy a certificate unless you want to. There are a number of One Designs that publish annual certs for free, which the J22 is one.  J22 ORC 2024

Chris



   

  I am not apposed to ORC rating system, but it must be done correctly. As I have read and understand ORC methodology. It requires multiple wind readings, before, during and at the finish of each race. Then, the rating is assigned per the average wind speed. I have not seen this done by any of the local yacht clubs. Last year GBCA had more then one regatta that no committee boat was even out to record finishes, much less wind speeds. If its not going to be done correctly why waste expense and time on the ORC certificate. Or pretend to race ORC.
  I am not saying its not a great handicapping system/method, it just needs to be done correct. Not just thrown out there to be used with no race committee fallow up wind readings, and handicap adjustment.   

  Thanks Chris